I also used Kilz2 (water based) to go from red/black to light green/white and it required one coat. Used the VAlspar with primer this weekend. I’m guessing we have to do the entire room but I’d love to only have to do a wall or two. We have use Behr and Valspar paints and have been very happy with them both too. I really wish Wal-Mart hadn’t stopped carrying Kilz. Even though the PVA primer hardens, it is still soft, which allows the finish color to stand out more and go on smoother. Be the first to review this product! I’m sold on Kilz paint from now on. I would avoid Behr, unless you are forced to use it, and then you had better get a waiver to make sure it doesn’t come back on you! I just finished a major water damaged condo. Reconsider the branding some products have. Reconsider the branding some products have. If you look closely you will see the wrapped windows. IF it is mold, would KILZ PRIMER cover it (plus 2 more coats of paint) and essentially STOP the mold coming thru or should the wood just be removed (and be a bigger project)? You may want to try KILZ Premium (rather than original or general purpose), since it claims to also adhere to glossy surfaces. I’ve used the Kilz oil based primer to go over spots of the wall that were spackled and I had issues with the drywall mud forming little balls in the paint such that it had to be sanded once dried. I have a new home with drywall ready to paint. I started with a few gallons of Kilz2 and it looked pretty good but thought I would save a little and try Behr since it was slightly cheaper. Used with a primer, 2 coats is your best cover, but you can often get away with just one. I want to cover up soot that is on my walls, and plan on using behr paint plus primer. As far as waterbase vs oil vs shellac. where do you see that behr won out? Kilz works great! How can you differentiate between brand loyalty and user error? 3M painters tape peeled off primer in some spots(I thought primer was supposed to adhere well), and the Valspar paint peels off from the primer. Just to add… Kilz and Zinzer both make product for just about every situation. I don’t know if the painters used a primer first as they should have and then applied 2 coats of paint or if the wood was already moldy and they just painted over it. All coats will be white. Is there a 1 coat primer which is sure to block the dark pattern before painting a sage green? I have Behr primer and sealer, would this work as well? As far as Valspar products, I’m done. Kilz also is good. Good luck and let us know what works! It wasn’t worth it. SO I WASTED MY TIME ON THIS PAINT PROJECT. Alan – I used Sharpies to write on the primer and used KILZ over top. The patterns of the mobile home were picked out by an elderly lady. So how do you make an informed decision? Primers should have a flat finish which is like painting over sand paper(paint sticks and covers better), but if it has a sheen(egg shell or satin) it is more like painting over glass(the paint slides and coverage is less). It’s also important to know that the darker the inverted image, the brighter the sample meaning less of the previous color is showing through. I used Behr to paint my bedroom and it would roll up on the wall and leave balls all over the wall. I have now own the condo for for 5 years and decided to paint. Otherwise you’ll have to reprime. Come join the discussion about the industry, safety, finishing, tools, machinery, projects, styles, scales, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Two bits of advice for several of the questions I’ve seen here: 1. I know it’s an old thread, however for what it’s worth I just used the Lowes Valspar multi-purpose primer (~$20) and was not very happy with the results. It will lay the nap on drywall, particularly around tape joints that have been sanded. Kilz is not a Behr product… They are both products of MasterChem. “I consider it our insurance policy — I go heavy-duty on the primer so I don’t run into something later on that I’m regretting.” While I did have to do two coats (dark colors are SO unforgiving) we had a harsh winter, a supersoaking spring, and the color looks like I just painted it. Although it does not affect performance, you’ll notice that this primer appears more off-white than competitors products. BTW – when I have used primer to cover paint, I get it tinted to move towards the final wall color. . The panels are put up and then a matching wallpapered strip runs from ceiling to floor to cover the seams. I had purchased Kilz primer but am not sure whether that will actually work adequately. If there is a difference over the primer it will likely be minimal as long as you are painting similar colors. Of course the oil based primer won! Anyone have any comments or suggestions on this project? It’s best to know what you need for each situation. Covering up to 400 sq. Interesting though, I wish I had thought to compare KILZ, Behr, abnd Valspar in covering the marker as well. As a professional, I must say this is the worst test I have seen in a while. In the bathroom the wallpaper is a dark floral print and it did take two coats. Third coat – still can see through somewhat. Even through the second coat. We have lots of European products, like Alpina, which is apparently an alkyl primer. A 5-gallon bucket currently cost ca. Have had good experiences with Behr stain over the past decade and with their paint over the last 5-6 years. I want a good water resistant finish using latex paint, if possible. I know my local Ace only carries latex. Both of these are true of Kilz Original. It’s very thin and levels out nicely and doesn’t dry so fast like Kilz does. Make sure to open some windows if you use the spray cans! And a few tablespoons of water and stir. The BEHR results are not surprising, the Kilz review was. I heard Cabot was good solid stain. Rewarding indoor surfaces with best paints, by top paint manufactures, available today. never again. Sherwin Williams promar 200. Run from Behr in my opinion as it’s a Bear to apply. The bigger they got the greedier. It gives you the elegant look of a flat paint but will hold up to scrubbing and the high moisture of bathrooms. It was my favorite paint for the price. My last room to paint now is my bedroom I keep procrastinating because of the headache. Never again. 3) once again, the Zinsser primer. I’m really surprised that Behr covered the best. I’m going back to Kilz2. KILZ Premium High-Hide Stain Blocking Latex Primer – Great Interior and Exterior Anti Mold and Mildew Option. I looked up Benjamin Moore paint. PVA - Why you shouldn't use it as a tiling primer I have to give guarantees for my work (many of these projects are commercial such as sports centre showers and changing rooms). I tried paint stripper and power washer but had ok luck but alot of the white paint did not come off . The goal of the primer isn’t to completely cover the previous color. Glad you chose to apply white untinted primer over such a bold red. Can’t wait to see the room after it is finished. My past experiences wit Behr have been bad to say the least. NO water base will work. With kilz on another room, an unforgiving loud purple, i just used the casual colors one coat and no primer and only had to use Kilz paint one coat and it did an excellent job some areas of the wall required another coat. I would never recommend it! I am going back to my Kilz 2. I called Home Depot and they said that shouldn’t happen !!! Applied by brush or roller, this low VOC primer and sealer dries quickly and sands easily for the topcoat to be applied in just two hours. Otherwise it’s like expecting a chocolate cake to taste like chocolate when you haven’t even added it yet. Both the B-I-N shellac-based and the Bull’s Eye 1-2-3 water-based primer will adhere to plastics including PVC and laminates, tile, and even glass. Each NEW soffit is in a different area of the house. So far I haven’t found KILZ here. Since that time we’ve received lots of comments, feedback and suggestions. As you mentioned it requires multiple coats, by virtue of being a much thinner bodied paint, both in primer and cover styles. Go to a Sherwin Williams and get PrepRite Classic (not the 400) or go to Benjamin Moore and get Fresh Start for primer. I have had more complaints using Behr paints, primers and stains than I have with any other issues combined in the last 3 years and it has only gotten worse. Without question in my experience 1) Zinsser Cover Stain or Bullseye 1-2-3 (water-base) are the best primers. My house was smoked in 15 years before I bought it. I did however 100% putted coated over those areas with fast drying mud / do i need to oil those also? I used to stand by it but it has become nothing but a line of problems. Plus, it’s easy to handle, and it’s a good bonding primer for paint to go onto,” says Chris. I purchased a home and the previous owners painted the deck with Behr paint. All Interior and Exterior Surfaces - Primer or PVA over Joint Compound - Hi all. We’re trying to cover up some small stains on white walls. SEAL GRIP ® Gripper ® Universal Primer/Sealer has exceptional adhesion to glossy surfaces. I just use a fat roller nap and two coats of paint. Is that the same thing? I bought 10 gallons to do all my ceilings, the first area looks very nice. You’re right, Jon, I have had paint pros tell me that and paint stores that cater to pros say the same thing. I too like Kilz paint and primer. You should never ever need more than one coat of primer or primer/sealer. A fair comparison would have been to use only water based primer and use Kilz and/or Zinsser water based products. The walls are individual panels that are covered in what seems to be wallpaper that cannot be removed. I’m buying what I call a “Crayola-Condo” and want to make sure that Kilz 2 Latex Primer is what I need to use. Any ideas? Good luck with the neon blue! I can second Gary’s comment from above, one coat of primer in most cases except when trying to seal a stain. Evaluating latest paints flat, matte, pearl, eggshell, semi gloss, gloss, as well as high gloss paint finishes, save time & money. Put on one coat and move on. Beige color only from halogen lights. While I have not used the Behr primer, I am a big fan of Kilz. It is awesome. I’m very surprised by the Behr results. It’s tannin bleed. “Price: $7.98 (quart), $15.96 (gallon)- almost the cheapest option for a quart; cheapest gallon by over $2.00! Beige color only from halogen lights. I didn’t have that problem with Kilz2. For new work Behr is the stuff, especially if you are using Behr finish paints. Thoughts? This is a great water-based option from KILZ’ premium line of primers. Lol might want to do a little deeper research next time! Please login to write your own review. If you look closely you will see the wrapped windows. As far as I’m concerned you cannot compare the Kilz with the other two unless you used a water base as the oil bases are better hiding primers/sealers. The Kilz oil based is pretty smelly (though not so much as it was years ago) but the results are amazing. It’s always nice to save money and that coupon is good for 10% off any in-store purchase. One of the walpaper walls have a slight texture, any recomendations? This type of primer wets the surface of the wall very well and seals the surface too (probably not as well as a universal acrylic stain blocker—however, it wets the surface of the wall better and is easier to re-coat). When you are sealing water based stains you need to use oil-base sealer. You need an oil based primer first. I’ve never had Behr perform well; and as such, stopped buying years ago. In regards to KILZ, I’ve seen the magic it has worked on one of my own catastrophic rooms. We removed wallpaper from drywall. Go to Wal Mart and buy their primer. This is very different than covering up paint. For the top-coat, I like the Valspar top-of-the-line paints that Lowe’s sells. Was it oil based or water based? I’m in the process of priming my entire new addition. I plan on painting them a very light purple is this a good thing to use? bought the REserve at Lowes, lowes ppl sold me on it, instead of buying the Kilz and paint I had started to buy. Primer/Sealer provides high hide, a uniform base for latex and oil/alkyd topcoats and excellent enamel holdout. It was awful. Can the Kilz 2 be tinted towards the finish top coat? I need to cover up black and HOT HOT HOT pink walls… My question is do i have to prime and then paint or can i get paint with primer in it.. It is very nice and smooth, even coverage, but you are right – several coats is not worth the time. Hi, folks. The most common method of priming drywall is to apply a coat of primer-sealer designed for drywall. So far, I'm very pleased with the results. I’d hate to have to paint the entire place 3 times to achieve the final color…unless I have to. I am currently using Kilz (original) to cover wallpaper in our travel trailer. So far, I'm very pleased with the results. I live in Florida and have home with a garage. Once you apply primer, the PVA in the substance goes to work by sealing all of the porous surfaces in the drywall mudding and the wall paper while also making them more receptive to fresh paint as well. They put on a uneven coat or two on. I have a pink room and a sharp blue. How much Kiltz primer should be on the roller. Hello, Will KILZ PRIMER COVER MOLD and stop it? Drywall Talk - Professional Drywall and Finishing Contractors Forum. I would just stick to using one primer … It turned out really well. I have used just about every brand of paint and primer over the years. I just got done painting some walls in a house and used both Behr and Kilz. I have a question, I just used kilz to seal my basement which I just cleaned mold from. After reading your review, I won’t be tempted to try it. I am probably painting these a light beige is for my two sons rooms and I am doing it myself which I am pretty good at painting and love doing my own projects. I say that it is not necessary for the first time using a color (other than white) to the interior walls. I usually need one coat sometimes two. ft. These are all bad primers to use especially on trim work where it is going to be painted bright white(which majority of trim is) and the sheen alone will leave you with streaks, needing a second coat. I have applied several layers (to some areas) to cover water stains that keep coming thru. 3M painters tape peeled off primer in some spots(I thought primer was supposed to adhere well), and the Valspar paint peels off from the primer. I hope your samples used dry erase marker or you will need Kilz to cover:), I’m currently using a can of Valspar primer… it is VERY nice. Use a 3/4 purdy nap.I use a 5 gal. My ultimate favorite is Behr Flat Enamel. Just thought you might want to be aware. I’m a painting contractor. I have been using it in every room. Kilz is awesome too. I want to paint over cheap laminate paneling by doing some faux painting with Valspar interior acrylic granite paint. I have just had two bad expierences with Bulls Eye 1-2-3 Primer. It almost seems like Kilz paid them for this add. My sons room is the next project, I will try the SW primaer and post my findings. I hate breathing the oil fumes. One coat, never had a problem. Valspar gives you close results with the flat, flat enamel and eggshell finishes. It will give you a super-smooth surface to paint and, like most water-based primers, it’s great at filling imperfections in porous surfaces. Put on one coat and move on.”. When the car is parked and the garage door is closed after a rainstorm, the humidity and dampness has caused the ceiling popcorn and drywall tapes to loosen and fall off. For those who don’t know if you will be painting over anything with an oil based finish you will need to use oil based primar to switch to a water based finish such as latex paint. For paint, I will always use Benjamin Moore–best coverage ever. Drywall primer-sealers come in both … Talk to a pro at your local independent paint store. Editors note: This post originally ran in June, 2008. Some folks boast years of great results while others express their total disappointment with the same product! I have staining from permanent and sharpie type markers that seeped down into the drywall. I never use latex primers. You can’t go wrong with it. We’ve also added a lot of pictures so you can see the results for yourself. I am having the popcorn removed and the ceiling repaired and coated with ‘orange peel’. Thanks For the info, Peace Painting, what primer will you recomend? Do I need to use Kilz oil based primer and then the Behr Prmium Satin? VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. $40.00 gallon. I tried the DIY forum and didn't get an answer so I'll try bugging you guys. Totally agree with Leldon Lockart about Valspar with primer. So far, I'm very pleased with the results. So, I have high hopes. I purchased Valspar “Reserve” One coat, primer, stain blocker & paint. It is because when you are painting pure white trim, working with lighter or brighter colors, it will take more top coats which are more expensive to work with. Valspar gives you the “look” of a satin but when you touch it or try to wash it, it is more like a flat paint. I’ve never used any of the Valspar products. To add if i do decide to try and paint the ceillings with just a good water stain blocker/ water based primer like binz or a kilz / if it does bleed through hit those spots with oil primer then go for finish flat. So, what this means is that when you go to cover it with paint, it does not adhere as well and the top coat tends to slide on the first coat. By inverting the color scheme, you can better differentiate between each sample and see which primer provided the thickest, most uniform coverage. Interior Drywall P.V.A. I'd say about 10 years ago I used Conco paint on an apartment interior. On IKEA/plastic/laminate shelving/tile/glass: there are few primers which will adhere to these surfaces. I have painted a number of houses over the year, and used several brands of “premium” paint. A forum community dedicated to professional drywallers and enthusiasts. Am I just to sensitive for this primer?. Many of the comments may no longer be applicable after this update, but we’ve preserved them to incorporate reader insights. Also there is glue residue on some walls with wallper i removed and some glue was just stubborn and i should have used steam. I’ve used it for years and love it. KILZ 1 Gal. I will never buy this crap again. Any suggestions? In case you are wondering the primer I am using for the drywall is a PVA primer by Glidden it stinks to high heaven ,however, it equalizes the walls two bases (drywall and mud) each suck up the paint differently which can be noticeable with any non-flat paint. For a dark wall /color change a homeowner might use latex primer. We devised a simple test to evaluate the hiding ability of Behr, Kilz and Valspar primer by brushing a generous amount over a dark purple wall. :blink: Well, looks like I'll be priming the ceilings after the texture is finished. I was going to buy Kilz to cover wallpaper before painting. Doing so both before and after seems a waste of paint. There is more to paint than if it can just cover a darker color the way Jocie did her comparison. However if you want a durable satin or semi gloss Behr is a must. Unfortunately you can’t really compare that visually. “This resin-based primer is a sealer as well, so nothing bleeds through. Should I expect to apply 2 coats of primer? “for those of us with texture/sensory issues, this was a little gross”. I HEARD THAT IF YOU USE KILZ PRIMER YOU DO NOT HAVE TO WASH YOUR WALL iS THAT TRUE????? Most of my use of pimer is to prime (bare wood, plaster, drywall) or to seal stains (moisture, wood sap, etc.) Do you know how long the primer takes to dry before applying the paint to it? Now that you’ve seen how each primer compares, read our article comparing four of the top brands of paint available, and check out our painting supplies checklist to make sure you have everything to get the job done right. Hi im a new member ive been tiling for nearly 3 years and learning all the time. It’s also fast drying, creating a permanent seal in about an hour. Thanks for any helpful suggestions. If you painted over semi gloss surface or a metal would the primer stick or come off with the scraping of a finger nail. the Reserve peeled…covered good, but peeled after 2 weeks on wall. What should I use…..Kilz or Behr primer? The result is a wall that has very tiny pinholes with no top-coat. From articles like this Valspar, Duron, Behr, and Ralph Lauren Comparison, we’ve learned that many people have very strong opinions about paint and primer. It does not cover well and it’s not supposed to. wall sealer will provide a uniform base suitable for any type of finish coat, and has excellent holdout when used under enamel finish coats. I am in the midst of remodeling my kitchen. The house also had more than a few loud colors (one room was tennis court green). If you look closely you will see the wrapped windows. Happy painting! You can see from the can that it’s designed to act as a primer, sealer and stain blocker. JavaScript is disabled. Many people don’t want to use an oil based product because of the odor and more difficult clean up. But if even the Kilz fails you, go to Zinsser. Looking for the best primer and paint. Am i safe to prime with stain blocker water based paint, or use the kilz and bite the bullet, condo is empty? I chose the multi-purpose over the cheaper high coverage formula (~$15) thinking that it was the better way to go. PVA Drywall Primer and Sealer is a quality vinyl acrylic product formulated for use on drywalls where economy and speed of application are most important in the residential, commercial and multi-family markets. So I am just going to redo it white. I’m with Paintergal. With Behr had to cover blue room used a primer and paint and had to use two coats of paint. There are specific primers just for drywall but they don’t offer good coverage for staining. That seems like a low price. Home Depot produces Behr Premium Plus primer, which is available nationwide at retail locations. I was just at walmart and they do carry it here in Nevada, but I found it cheaper at Home Depot. In the end I used an alkyd primer (European firm called Alpina). When we use Sherwin Williams or Benjamin Moore…..everyone compliments the paint instead of complaining. Susan in Folsom, Ca. And to make matters worse, whenever there has been a failure with any of their products, they have never once made good on a warranty. All the walls all still the off white paint color when you purchase a newly built condo. First of all, they compared original Kilz which is an oil-based primer to other latex primers. For covering water stains with a water-based primer, the Zinsser is probably the only one that will do it. It took the entire gallon ~ apprx 2.5 coats to get the room in relatively decent shape to paint. Painting & Staining. Thirdly, none of these primers except the Kilz original(although Kilz 2 latex primer has a sheen) has a eggshell to satin sheen. Storage conditions are to keep the containers in a Where did you find t Valspar bonding primer? Sprayed with a Graco Magnum sprayer and what a freaking MESS!!! It covers stains and unwanted colors very well. They don’t cover most stains. I doesn’t even stick to the paper around the can. I use a PVA primer sealer from Benjamin Moore over fresh drywall. Surprised to hear that, Todd. Maybe next time…, Using Valspar to cover a neon blue wall right now. Valspar, Duron, Behr, and Ralph Lauren Comparison, comparing four of the top brands of paint available, Home Depot Coupons, Coupon Codes, 10% Off Sales – FALL/WINTER 2020-2021, AJ Madison Coupons, Sales, Coupon Codes, 40+% Off – FALL/WINTER 2020-2021, Lowes Coupons, Sales, Coupon Codes, 10% Off, Target Coupons, Sales, Coupon Codes, 10%-60% Off – FALL/WINTER 2020-2021, Sears Coupons, Sales, Coupon Codes, 10% Off – FALL 2020/WINTER 2021. While I haven’t used Behr primer, I love Behr paint and believe it is far superior to the higher priced brands. I just want the walls to be back to white. Thanks for visiting! Hard acoustic / plaster that i finished smooth. PVA also makes primer stick to new drywall better than paint. It has other purposes such as forming an adhesive layer over glossy surfaces. 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