Literally turned my arse to water 2 days in and it's been the same since, had to stop taking them for this reason, can't live the touch and go toilet lifestyle any longer ha. I regret I belatedly discovered that one can easily import the african 'afrigetics' extract used in clinical trials (link). Part 3 - Other Benefits For Men Part 4 - Other Benefits For Everyone Part 5 - Side Effects Part 6 - Bonus: Reddit Questions Part 7 - Human Dosage Part 8 - My Opinion And Guidelines Edited by RatherBeUnknown, 24 September 2016 - 06:04 AM. Depending on results, sides, body response/reaction etc. But I was definitely scared, especially if the kidneys can be permanently damaged. This is not recommended for shared computers, Sign in anonymously Actually a little bit more but it's almost only a few "streaks" each time, though I felt the "load" every time I had finished. I read about its liver and kidney toxicity but that seems to be disputed by its users who reference safety studies that discard the notion of toxicity higher than placebo. Right now I am in the makings of trying to make a transdermal version of this that I can directly rub into my testicle area for Xtreme Gainz. My whole body is also very itchy but this could be chlorine in the water. I’ve taken the liberty of dividing it up into sections to make it easier to find what you need. Mentally I believe it may ever so slightly have increased my energy levels but so far this could just be a placebo or fatigue induced feeling of energy. Sure man, just something to keep in mind... Like if you use it here and there i think its fine, but i guess it wouldnt be a good idea to use for a PCT, specially if the cycle already had orals in it. Smell could be due to artificial sweeteners in my sugar-free (5g per 2 liters) ice tea I am drinking. How Much Bulbine Natalensis to Take to See Results? Jul 22, 2017 - Bulbine is a family of succulent like rare species. Discussion in 'Anabolic Steroids & Prohormones' started by Dorm3r, Jun 27, 2017. SERIOUS NUTRITION SOLUTIONS REPRESENTATIVE, Serious Nutrition Solutions Representative. Maybe I am failing to understand something regarding how much a person can tolerate of a herb based upon weight. It also seems to cause cold fingers and weird cold or "loss of blood" sensations in various parts of the body, comparable to how some nitric oxide and blood thinner supplements do. Its historical value begins with the South African Zulu people, who are known to have ingested the supposedly stimulating herb before battle in order to boost stamina or power. Also a chance it puts a little strain on the liver but really no need for concern. But remember, increased liver enzymes can mean many things, and definetely not always an indicater of a toxic substance. Is it just like running a cycle of anavar or any oral - you drink lots and lots of water and take various supplements? By accident I discovered that p5p has those effects it has. Noted thank you - This is a test for 3 weeks before a detraining break. I know at least that it's not so tough on the liver or kidneys as oral anabolics are and can be. Edited by Baten, 04 October 2016 - 05:49 PM. BULBINE NATALENSIS has anyone tried this will definitive results. Never mind, I had brown-ish urine and intestinal discomfort today. See more ideas about Rare plants, Rare species, Boost testosterone. If this is for what I think it's for    (which it most certainly is) you best stick to the likes of ginger and boron. In a manner similar to a steroid cycle..... ok... but if you are going to use something that has negative effects/sides similar to the real thing... why not just straight jump in the water head first ? 35% in a period of 2 weeks and remained high for 21 days. It's probably irrelevant to the Bulbine and might have to do with the meat I've been eating. I usually take p5p every morning but didn't today (hmm?) The purpose behind taking p5p is increased gaba synthesis (which I for genetic reasons have issues with). Surely the kidney and liver doesn't grow that much just because you're a lot bigger in your bones. I was talking enzyme elevations - I was not aware there were structural alterations in the organs in question, dont know how I missed that, cause remember reading that study - so thanks for pointing it out man. I've done a urine test by urinating into an empty and clean bottle to see urine color. Perfectly normal digestion, no stomach, intestinal, kidney or any other "weird" discomfort from taking these. Lean gains from Bulbine Natalensis or any other supplements? The one study that noted increases in LH noted that the best dose (50mg/kg bodyweight) increased LH to 2ng/mL (with control around 0.6ng/mL) at day 1, but to 7ng/mL on day 14. I also went out after the bath to cool down in the cool weather. I'm willing to give the herb one last shot with the extract version (dosage is 350mg per cap which seems significantly lower too, compared to the 750mg tablets of which the directions even say to take 3 of these tablets, are they insane?). I will make a follow up on my condition as long as the side effects don't subside (they're claimed to worsen with time by studies). 5 minutes again and it was the same with the urine. Bulbine has "anti-diabetic" properties, they claim. I guess it's like alpha lipoic acid which also makes me feel terrible if I consume it with sugar. My head was hot like crazy. I do feel a little bit coming on to do with toilet usage but it's very mild. I wake up slightly horny, same I do if I take zinc. It has great influence on cognition and sexuality, and currently it is used as a testosterone booster. I'm not sure the 750mg tablet are of a comparable quality. This might be the diarrhea issue. Histological examination revealed slight distortions in the architecture of the liver lobules as well as proximal and convoluted tubules of the kidney. Due to its influences on cognition and sexuality, it is currently being investigated for its effects on testosterone. 9th time I've urinated. The urination and intestine pain sound about right for someone who drank a lot of tea after food poisoning. Jun 27, 2017. What the heck is located there? But it if contains a diuretic then it's no surprise. And Ruthless is about to rock the supplement industry again with the release of version 2 of Phytoserms-347 - containing double the milligrams of Bulbine Natalensis and now, for the first time, also containing the equally potent testosterone boosting (and estrogen inhibiting) phyto extract Fadogia Agrestis. Probably, but that's besides the point. Making it topically effective against arthritis[1]! Edited by RatherBeUnknown, 24 September 2016 - 06:41 AM. I'll look into Bulbine Natalensis for Examine I guess; I'm trying to index all existent testosterone boosters at this moment in time and we don't have that one. And ask your doc about p5p. Bulbine Natalensis has been taking the supplement world by storm - with reports coming in on the US forums, European forums and facebook! I forgot to mention that my urine is also very foamy almost everytime I urinate. But continuing on...]. My blood pressure and pulse 30 minutes after ingestion and 1.5 hours after waking (where I have cold sensations around my body): So far it doesn't seem to increase heart rate as others have reported and may even slow it down (oh no!). Based on study data to date, plus extensive anecdotal reports on the bodybuilding internet forums, people have seen it help boost libido and support healthy testosterone and estrogen levels (on one US forum for example, participants recorded a 247% increase in testosterone using a Bulbine Natalensis supplement). DAA works in a very different way - DAA raises testosterone via increasing Luteinizing Hormone, which in term stimulates your testes into producing more natural testosterone. Effect of Bulbine natalensis Baker stem extract on the functional indices and histology of the liver and kidney of male Wistar rats. No side-effect whatsoever. The extract did not significantly (P < .05) alter the total protein, sodium, potassium, chloride, calcium, magnesium, uric acid, and creatinine levels in the serum of rats. levels (obviously unbelievable but still). 35% increase, or 10% increase, is not a lot. I've begun eating a sweet chocolate cake just after my 5th time urinating and I hope it doesn't mean trouble if my kidneys are failing me. were caused by the supposed "anti-diabetic" effects of Bulbine. What exactly is it you're feeling from this? The common name for Bulbine Natalensis is Rooiwortel. I hope this is just anxiety. LH has been shown to be increased with Bulbine Natalensis in male rats, and appears to be more drastic over time rather than an acute effect. I do think transdermal bulbine works. The initial results suggests that total and free testosterone were both increased by the use of supplementing Afrigetics Botanicals Bulbine PE by about. While the extract increased the activities of liver gamma-glutamyl transferase (GGT), alkaline phosphatase (ALP), alanine and aspartate aminotransferase (ALT and AST, respectively), and total bilirubin, globulin, and urea, the levels of albumin, conjugated bilirubin, inorganic phosphorus, and kidney ALP and GGT decreased. I have yet to see anyone report the effects I am and vice versa with experiencing the effects of others. Do you read the warnings on the supplements you buy? Animal studies show that it may increase testosterone, but only at specific doses - too high doses can have a negative impact on long-term health. None of that honestly. And people, with the right precautions and right supplements, can manage to take anadrol everyday or any of the other toxic ones, without apparently damaging their organs. I do feel I have more energy now (not the chocolate cake) but it's in a weird way. Also drinking Kidney Fortifier tea and some Kidney formula: I had these at home, so I figured why not, especially considering RatherBeUnknown's experiences. I read about its liver and kidney toxicity but that seems to be disputed by its users who reference safety studies that discard the notion of toxicity higher than placebo. Received 60-count bottle of 5:1 stem extract of bulbine natalensis I ordered. It did have a smell. But bulkpowders states a three fiddy increase in test. I've added Bulbine to an alcohol solution and let it sit for a day in a closed bottle and then applied some to my wrist area as well as jewel area. As for p5p, the linked LE article details how p5p is protective against various forms of damage to the kidneys so it's smart to be taking it. However, in This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. and according to http://www.lifeexten...Disease/Page-01 p5p may be effective in preventing some kidney issues/failure/damage. I usually do 4 weeks on, 2 off. Because of the intestine-thing, I'm quitting supplementation for the time being for sure. The alterations produced in some of the functional indices as well as in the hepatorenal architecture may adversely affect the normal hepatic and renal functions. When I apply it to my testicle area it feels like having used a dht cream in that I can achieve a mild "erection" feeling. Did you notice any of the things I did like coldness in certain places of the body, sensitivity to sweet foods, sweet smelling and foamy urine? Kind of stupid of BP to sell it for so much (it's not inexpensive), and it's not even an extract. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19735182. I've begun to feel some weird pains in my feet and lower legs as well as my hands and wrist but these are mild and quickly subside and reappear. But while history may vouch for the potential of this plant, it h… Right now I have a mild diarrhea that I've had for about 4 days. Even if the supplier has neglected to label it with the proper warning, still be cautious! I have adverse effects from only 1 a day and I weigh more than most people. I agree the testicular ointment is a bright idea, not because it will produce extreme gains. I dont think Ill bother making another order just to try it. Just lost a long post I made in my edited post to "you don't have permission to do that".. sigh. A day after using it (orally) it increases sensitivity of sexual organ and sexual desire (but no better than more or less of 60mg zinc). The conclusion was that there was sufficient preliminary evidence to show that Bulbine PE by Afrigetics Botanicals could in fact raise testosterone (TT and. Note that it's possible that the "masculine" feeling from bulbine is actually caused by its "anticonvulsive" properties and not hormonal effects, since gaba receptors are in part what causes test, dht., etc. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. Edited by RatherBeUnknown, 05 October 2016 - 02:58 PM. You must log in or register to reply here. 11 studies in Pubmed, shouldn't take long. toxic as oral is? It's also diuretic and hard on the kidneys, I would really steer away from large doses. Anyhow, had some of the most extreme libido and aggression today. Who does that? I take about two per day. When applied transermally (and it's really, really poorly done because I don't have access to anything but alcohol and store bought creams) I experience more or less the same as above. This is an indication that the extract is not completely "safe" as an oral remedy. The extract produced higher effects on the liver functional indices (39%) than the kidney parameters (21%). It seems to like zinc increase sexual desire and sensitivity of the sexual organ but only mildly. Bulbine Natalensis is also likely to be an excellent addition to an OTC PCT (over the counter post cycle therapy) stack, following a prohormone cycle. After using melatonin for a while I had a reduced libido, but after starting Bulbine it is exactly as if I have been taking a very expensive zinc supplement. So far I have a lot of intestinal distress, all through the week. This article has 40 key points and totals almost 5,000 words. That will be the real test, I'm under 200lbs and I've had good results from just 350 mg and I always use it for 6 weeks. An hour later I ate the meatballs I had cooked. It is used in traditional African medicine to treat a variety of ailments - from bug stings to mosquito bites, blisters, cold sores, mouth ulcers, cracked skin, sunburn, cuts and even to speed the healing of bruises. As mentioned, I have odd "pains" in various parts of the body that last for a short while, in addition to decreased heart rate (by 10 or so points). Interestingly, the original (?) For WHO? I applied a larger than usual (but still very small compared to oral dosages) Bulbine solution to my body as usual. However, the 50 and 100 mg/kg of body weight doses reduced the liver- and kidney-body weight ratios by the end of the experimental period. Supplement Forums; Supplements; Bulbine Natalensis testosterone booster. This herb has been used in traditional medicine as a natural aphrodisiac, and has had numerous studies conducted on it. In its homeland it is known by many names, such as ibhucu, ingcelwane and rooiwortel. Bulbine Natalensis is a type of herb from South Eastern and Southern African countries and has been used for years as a form of aphrodisiac and other health benefits. When you depend on something to keep your kidneys going.. that's when you should really be checking key blood parameters. What specifically are you feeling? site states the following: "The initial results suggests that total and free testosterone were both increased by the use of supplementing Afrigetics Botanicals Bulbine PE by about 35% in a period of 2 weeks and remained high for 21 days. New Men All Natural Bulbine Natalensis 10:1 Liquid Extract Testosterone Booster This state of the art new formula incorporates the most recent technology in boosting your testosterone levels with organic herb extracts that are designed to currently be stronger than ever before. Small intestines? In the rat studies, an extract 10:1 was used, where 50 mg/kg where the dose with the highest testosterone level measured. Bulbine Natalensis is a potent African herb that has become a popular addition to supplement stacks catered to those who want to boost libido and testosterone levels. Messages: ... TMuscle is a free forum for bodybuilders, powerlifters, strongmen and anyone looking to improve their physique and talk to like-minded people. I'm not native english speaking, so grammer is not great. In 27 of 29 variables, no differences were noted between groups... Alkaline phosphatase (AP) increased marginally in the ProLensis™group (+2.0 IU/L, +3%) compared to a parallel decrease the Placebo group (-2.4 IU/L, -3.8%); P<0.04. [3] The conclusion was that there was sufficient preliminary evidence to show that Bulbine PE by Afrigetics Botanicals could in fact raise testosterone (TT and, FT) by around 35% in about 2 weeks and remained high for nearly two months.". It is the Super Male Page 2 of 2 - Bulbine Natalensis - posted in Brain Health: Zinc gives me pimples, too. The activities of serum ALP, GGT, ALT, and AST also increased throughout the experimental period. On the wrist I can pretty quickly feel it - I assume it's more than just the alcohol. to give the masculine feeling. When not on the battlefield the natives would powder the stems of the plant and mix it with milk in order to enhance virility and libido. At first I thought that this is probably the alcohol itself and not the Bulbine so I took some vodka and rubbed it on my testicles but it did nothing other than sting.. Hmm. Community Forum Software by IP.BoardLicensed to: ImmInst.org. They're not cheap but quality should be ok. Someone who weighs 300kg? Discussion in 'Anabolic Steroids & Prohormones' started by Dorm3r, Jun 27, 2017. Das Wort Testosteron erzeugt ein Bild von einem „Alpha-Mann“ Blut, Schweiß und kaltem Eisen. What specifically are you feeling? A part of my lower left back area (not spine) is slightly painful and pain comes and goes... Update: pulse is now down to 55 and I am feeling even colder and slightly weak in my body. Have to say, this is the real thing. When I don't move I feel that I have abnormally much energy but as soon as I move (and I'm big, so I can't take much) it's back to normal in terms of poor endurance. The extract produced higher effects on the liver functional indices (39%) than the kidney parameters (21%). Bulbine Natalensis und die Bedeutung der natürlichen Testosteronproduktion. It always smells salty or like vinegar. The yellow color has returned and I'm now sticking to drinking water only and not eating anything. As for the adverse reaction I've had, I didn't have it to this degree on the first day and I've went through forum after forum and review after review, study after study and only found multiple references to diarrhea. This time my urine color is more transparent, more like water, and perhaps the sweet smell is slightly reduced (or increased, very difficult to tell). The information provided on this pamphlet is not intended as a substitute for advice from your physician or other health care professional, or any information contained on or in any product label or packaging. My doctor knows less about nutrition than many of us], exercise or supplementation program [including Bulbine natalensis], before taking any medication, or if you suspect you might have a health problem [including kidney failure]. Edited by RatherBeUnknown, 24 September 2016 - 09:22 AM. Yeah I also read, that in rats, to high a dose of Bulbine Natalensis could have the opposite effect. Page 2 of 2 < Prev 1 2. Has anyone else tried it? This is the third day and I have not taken it today. Bulbine Natalensis has a long history of use in Africa, and initial reports from actual users on the forums etc. I'm guessing it will "work" better out-of-the-box. Swole29 Top Contributor. Zinc gives me pimples, too. Never mind, I had brown-ish urine and intestinal discomfort today. You would stumble on something like this (minus my annotations): Product XYZ is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. Histological examination revealed slight distortions in the architecture of the liver lobules as well as proximal and convoluted tubules of the kidney. At least I got to test it. Dorm3r Top Contributor. Messages: ... TMuscle is a free forum for bodybuilders, powerlifters, strongmen and anyone looking to improve their physique and talk to like-minded people. Sports-wise I'm having great workouts and feel 'manly', may or may not be in part caused by the bulbine supplementation. . Please consult with a health care professional before starting any diet [again, complete rubbish. Tweet; If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. Yeah I also read, that in rats, to high a dose of Bulbine Natalensis could have the opposite effect. In the rat studies, an extract 10:1 was used, where 50 mg/kg where the dose with the highest testosterone level measured. Is there any difference between this and DAA. 20 minutes after eating I began to experience strong heat feelings in my whole body accompanied by dizziness and weakness. The area just very slightly under my naval and to the left of it (in the side) hurts when I touch it. I must say, as soon as I ate small portions of that chocolate cake and other sweets I felt significantly worse. Seems like an odd coincidence. As for my reaction, it's possible that all those things (increased urination, sweet urine, etc.) Smell of urine is oddly sweetish but this is the first time I've had this problem and I am not diabetic. Bulbine Natalensis. For you to be safe, better use a testosterone boosting supplement like Bulbine Natalensis. Edited by William Sterog, 05 October 2016 - 03:39 PM. It could be that it causes the excretion of glucose which would help people with hyperglycemia, but I haven't read any studies on that. Edited by Baten, 03 October 2016 - 12:06 PM. But I always drink the same amount of water more or less, so having darker urine is pretty out of the ordinary. However, this way would be very dangerous to the health that it might cause your death. I will decide the dosing for the upcoming 8 week period. It seems to increase my frequency of urination especially immediately upon ingestion, suggesting that it does indeed have an effect on the kidneys.This effect is slightly comparable to vitamin C dosages at over 2 grams although Bulbine's kidney effect lasts the whole day. Does weight even matter when it comes to the renal and hepatic toxicity of a substance? So essentially I bought an extra $35 of supplements to make a $35 supplement investment work without issues... sigh. 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